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Disillusioned

Journal Entry: Tue May 6, 2008, 10:58 AM
Gill


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I realised today something that's been creeping up on me for a long while: I am totally disillusioned with dA :(  Not that I ever had too many illusions once I'd been here for more than a month anyway! ;)

The site is growing exponentially and while there is still a lot of great work submitted, the noise-to-signal ratio is worsening every day. One of the reasons I started my own website was because I found myself constantly having to answer the question (from people I'd given my gallery url to) "Why are you on that site?" When I sat back and took a look at dA from their point of view, I can understand why they asked. The Today pages often showcase the worst of dA, the News section is a joke and browsing - if you haven't spent enough time here to find your way around and work out how to avoid a lot of the shite - can look like taking a random trawl through Photobucket or MySpace.

The larger the site gets, the more difficult it becomes to moderate it in any way, shape or form and while rapid, uncontrolled growth may be great for the dA business model it doesn't, as far as I'm concerned, do a lot to improve the user experience.

Various people have said, in effect, "we're here for our friends, ignore the rest" and that's great if you can do that. But I can't.* I like to be aware of the site as a whole, not just my weeny corner of it and I don't much care for what I see right now. I get the impression that dA just panders to the lowest common denominator all the time. Great for the business, the more the merrier. Not so great for people - whatever their level of artistic ability - who also have a reasonable helping of common sense.

If I see one more misuse of the word 'rape' (and spelling it 'raep' doesn't make it OK or you cooler) I'm going to hit something. Or someone, which may be somewhat more satisfying :chainsaw:

Anyone who knows me also knows that I detest hypocrisy (about as much as I hate wilful stupidity) and when I'm given a hypocritical answer to a perfectly rational & reasonable policy enquiry and my subsequent response (also rational and reasonable) is ignored, then I'm approaching last straw territory.

So before I get there, I'm taking a step back and reducing the amount of time and attention I give to the site (which has been happening anyway). The weather's getting better, my camera has been gathering dust, I have gawd-knows how many started animation projects in UF which need a lot of time and attention and am busy evaluating the potential purchase of a photoediting program  (LightZone check it out!)

I'll be around: just not as much and probably do more fave'n'running than commenting.

* Yes, I really am that nosey inquisitive!



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:iconphoenix-22:
dA is such an interesting place, it may be the cesspool of idiocy and a great deal of people that I try to avoid (furries, anime people, immature 12 year old's, etc.), but at the same time, a ton of fractal artists are here and the art (in certain circles) is phenomenal.

I'm not sure if I told you, but you know the other graphics site I'm at and it is, indeed, a much smaller, close-knit, easy going site. I love smaller sites because you still have great art and great people, but without the popular site attributes.

I like the whole personalized page thing and if anything it's good to have a dA even if you aren't on it a lot -- for storage, gallery, and portfolio reasons.

The way I am on this account is strictly fractal art, I have the people I watch (technically I'm not "watching" anyone right now), and I peruse around the galleries when I can. Of course, my main reason for staying here in an active manner is being with *Apophysis.

I've made this site as relaxed as I can make it, I don't get deviations in my message center, I don't get involved in the contests or the news issues that come up every now and then, and it really is the way to go -- simple, relaxed browsing of art.
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:icongigaza:
if i were to be a new user again and start without any connections in here from friends, i would have left in a couple weeks.

browsing the site really consists of me looking at who i've watched, and occasisonally looking at what they've fav'd. then i may add them to my watches, etc. browsing the site by actually using the 'browse' functions is out of the question.

favs and DDs are pretty much worthless. most comments are too.

"nice i like it lol :D :D"

k im done
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:iconwelshwench:
I feel the same, like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either be more involved with the site, which leads to frustration and irritation, or just skim over the surface which also leads to frustration because the site could be so much better.
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:iconbaba49:
*baba49 May 8, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Argh I wish I knew what to do to give you your illusions back ;) :hug: Perhaps after Santorini everything looks merrier again :D
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:iconwelshwench:
What a nice thought! :D

What's up with the emoticons today? :confused:
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:iconbaba49:
*baba49 May 15, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
? I got them all :bug: :butterfly: :frog: :penguin: :trout: :sheepish: :ambulance: :chainsaw: :tp: :stereo:
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:iconsubee:
I agree with you Gill! There are just too many people on here that post so much into so many areas that there is no way to see it all much less experience the good art that so many people can and do produce. And it is so darn complicated to move around on here. But, I've decided to try to keep my watch list to what it is now. Otherwise there is just no way I can keep up and still have an outside life! But I am so very happy to watch those on my list! I'm so glad that you aren't going to leave and I will welcome each and every one of your submissions! :hug:
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:iconwelshwench:
:aww: That's much appreciated Sue! Though I fear my next submission will be some time off as my 'muse' appears to have gone on holiday. Ungrateful little cow could have taken me with her ;)
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:iconvelvet--glove:
As *IDeviant says, blinkers are a useful accessory around here. I haven't been on DA as long as you, Gill, but on the whole I tend to restrict my activities largely to the fractal area, with occasional forays into other galleries to check out other artists and photographers. I like to interact with likeminded people and be inspired by what they do. There are plenty of mature, sensible and creative people here to make that still very worthwhile. This level of interaction takes up as much time as I'm prepared to spend here.

Despite its faults I still think DA is a good place to display and talk about one's artwork. Personal sites are all very well but you lose the interactivity. Starting/running another forum is fraught with difficulty for the administrator. Before I came to DA I ran a very successful, and happy stitching forum for over 5 years - it was good because of the way I ran it and because I had the full support of the members, who were a good crowd, almost 1000 strong at its peak. The downsides were the sheer amount of work involved (despite having a team of mods & helpers), having to provide, manage and pay for image space myself and a couple of deeply unpleasant incidents to deal with that left me emotionally battered and bruised (I abhor conflict but had no choice but to deal with these incidents, to protect my community). I did all this willingly for my very dear online friends but it all took its toll - I eventually burnt out and gave it up, to reclaim time and energy for myself. Eventually I ended up here... where I can upload stuff for free, make and chat to friends as much or as little as I wish, and enjoy not having to lift a finger to manage any of it or shouldering any of the burden of responsibility. It's so much easier than updating a website or a blog and I like that aspect of things too - I want to spend my time creating or chatting now, not managing things, writing webpages or becoming overly friendly with a blasted FTP program.

As for the policymakers, the interface and performance issues I just let the DA people get on with that - I'm sure they have a mountain of problems, complaints and criticisms to deal with. Having experienced both sides I'm (rather selfishly) happy to let someone else deal with all that now and not concern myself too much with it (blinkers time again). :shrug:

I guess I'll be sticking around for a while longer but like you, with the better weather coming along I shall be spending a little more time out and about, sharing some quality time with my hubby and my camera, out in the field. :)
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:iconwelshwench:
Despite its faults I still think DA is a good place to display and talk about one's artwork. Personal sites are all very well but you lose the interactivity.

I totally agree with those statements, which may seem at odds with my journal, but I really am congenitally incapable of not nosing around and not taking the negatives on board as well as the positives. I sympathise with your burnout and I never took as much on as you did with running and managing a busy forum: running a few mail lists and moderating a politics forum did me in ;) I know that I need to spend less time on dA and break my old habits. When at the PC, I always had dA open no matter what else I was doing and was forever wandering around the site. Willpower isn't my strong suit so I need to get into the habit of logging on, quickly going through my watch lost and logging out again until the next day.

Unless there's a mass exodus of fractal artists - very unlikely - I'll still be around, just not as much.

Right now, my main concern is how to justify buying myself a new camera :laughing:
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