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Journal Entry: Tue Jul 15, 2008, 2:03 PM
Gill


*grump*




Is it me, or is this site getting more like Photobucket every day? Do you think we (as in Fractal artists) are the "lucky ones" in that our gallery is so damn easy to get to when submitting images that we are privileged to see more than our fair share of "this is cute, I found it on google" stuff to add to all the miscats or is it a growing issue across the whole site?

Did you also realise/remember that when new members sign up there is nothing that makes it really clear to them that dA is for original work only? Check it out, I did. All new members are asked to do is tick a box to say they've read the ToS. The ToS is a small, faint link at the bottom of the page and if anyone does bother to go there they're met with a wall of text and even that - while it does say At deviantART's discretion and in appropriate circumstances, deviantART may remove Your Content submitted to the Site, terminate the accounts of users or prevent access to the Site by users who infringe the intellectual property rights of others. *pause for breath* - doesn't actually clearly state what ought to be said.

'Twas ever thus, I can hear some of you muttering. Well, maybe it was but back when 'twas first thus there were a a hell of a lot less members and deviations.  Last time I looked there were over 59 million deviations (compared to 25m less than 2 years ago) and gawd knows how many members. At this rate of growth it can only get worse. I made a suggestion in the appropriate forum a couple of days ago, and only two people responded. Whether that means it was a bad idea or that people just couldn't care less (or maybe hardly anyone reads the Forums ...) I haven't a clue. But I do know I am getting royally pissed off about it because I see the problems getting worse all the time.

And, damn it, as pissed off as I am with dA's foibles, I'd like to get back a bit of my enjoyment of the site. On which note I can only say "Hooray" for the message centre changes :D About bloody time too .... ;)



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:iconideviant:
~IDeviant Jul 20, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, dB it is. And that's the symbol for the decibel, the unit of noise. And yet... I've still not come across anywhere quite like it for quality of art, once one's personal filters are in place (i.e. just look at the inbox, NOT the streams). And the interaction across genres, the people, the interface... for my MO, the positives still far outweigh the negatives.

I did see a comment somewhere about an ongoing survey that's attempting to address miscats, so steps are being taken. But I'd be happy to see an upload limit of as low as one per day (as in 365 per year, not one per 24-hour period), and a penalty for persistent miscats (deletion rather than moving, after, say, five miscats in a month.

I also started at Rendo, but it lacked 'edge' :D
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:iconwelshwench:
dB = decibel hadn't occurred to me, how apt! I should have thought of it: I've whinged about the noise-to-signal ration before now ;) I've found that by only looking at watchlist plus a trawl now and again around the faves galleries of the people I watch, I miss out on some great images. As sensible as that idea is - preservation of sanity is paramount! - the more people who do it the less new people get any exposure.

I believe that TPTB are looking at miscat reports to try and identify causes. Now, if reporters were to always suggest the correct category, they would no doubt be able to see where there is room for improvement or clarification in the gallery structure or tree or descriptions. (In some cases, the submit path and the breadcrumb trail are still different :roll:) But, my anecdotal evidence is that while there is occasionally a little confusion between digital -> fractal art and digital -> 3D art, the vast majority of the miscats are due to people who are mostly new to the site, many of whom don't appear to speak/read much English, plus a significant number who don't appear to have the ability to grasp the idea of a category structure let alone wrestle with it; those who simply don't care and those who deliberately submit because the FA gallery accepts animated .gifs whereas the 'correct' category doesn't. And don't get me started on the people who think this is a dumpimg ground for their favourite pics which they nicked from elsewhere :pissedoff:

If you still have the will to live after getting through that lot, you can read the concerns I have about the new system here [link]

;)
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:iconideviant:
~IDeviant Jul 22, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the dB thing is a fine example of the noble art of synchomysticism :D I notice your "ratio" has ended up as "ration" - that's something that keeps happening to me too. Since I use the former more than the latter, it's something of a mystery... :confused:

I think something drastic needs doing with the categories. A simplified top structure and not too many lower layers. Then anything submitted into the wrong top category should be deleted, no questions asked, all part of the TOS. That'd force the buggers to get it right :mwahaha:
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:iconlaurengary:
I said a long time ago dA should limit everybody's uploads, maybe if people had to think about what they could upload in a given period of time, say every 24 hours, we wouldn't see so many cell phone pictures of little Sally's pedicure.

Or wotevah.

And the miscats irritates the crap out of me to be honest though I just don't see it ever changing. Because it's just too easy to throw stuff in the gallery. 2 clicks & your done. It's the lazy man's upload nirvana.

And I don't see dA ever changing anything either. While they style themselves an art site, I see them moving away from it more & more personally.

TPTB may say otherwise but YES< it really is starting to look a lot like deviantBucket. And I know how you feel about Renderosity. I tried it too but I didn't like it, it felt cold to me.
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:iconwelshwench:
Limiting uploads would help to a degree, for sure :nod: but I think the problem is two-fold - the more members dA has the better it is for them to attract advertisers, so they're not going to do anything which might discourage people from signing up; and the more new members the site has, the worse the problem gets and the harder it is to fight it or control it.

"Cold" is exactly the word I used about Rendo!
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:iconphoenix-22:
Just...don't browse, it's what I do at least. I have my "friends" on my profile, so I check their pages, then migrate via their favorites or friends, and get just as much done.

I agree though, I think we tried to find out why the miscats happen, and came to the conclusion that people clearly do not read.
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:iconwelshwench:
I tried not browsing for a long while but then when I started again I realised that in among all the miscats and stuff were a LOT of diamonds I was missing out on. You know me Matt: nosey to the core, I hate missing out ;)

I agree with you that people just don't bother to read but it would help if they were tols a few things in a couple of simple sentences.
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:iconmagnusti78:
~magnusti78 Jul 16, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i agree with you, but then again dA doenst seem to interested to do much about it so... and as was said earlier, this is by far the best place of its kind in the internet at the mo so we just have to bear...
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:iconwelshwench:
:nod: You're right, of course, but me being me, I'll still moan about it ;)
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:iconskellorg:
That was a pretty mild grump, Gill. Are you feeling all right? ;)

(I only say this because I peeked at my daughter's dA journal just now - a rarity; I usually stay out there - but I had a thought that if she's this good at being grumpy at 17, just imagine how good she'll be at it by the time she's my age. Funny thing is, she's quiet as a mouse, a very shy girl until her fingers get on the keyboard. She is not pleased with v6. A master grump in the making.)
:rofl:

Ahem. It's summer vacation. We can only hope that the miscats and illegalities will slow down in August/September. In the meantime, I try not to look.
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